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Thunder Down Under
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Is it legal for the Chief judge to pin tricks for a skier......"Were the Millers" !
Herb
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Is it legal for the Chief judge to pin tricks for a skier......"Were the Millers" !
Herb
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Originally Posted by Thunder Down Under
Is it legal for the Chief judge to pin tricks for a skier......"Were the Millers" !
Herb
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So understanding this question is tricky
Is it that the chief judge weighs more than most?
Financial relationship?
How does it change the way the chief judge does their job?
Toot toot
Stumped
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Hey TDU,

What is "were the Millers"?  Were the Millers pinning tricks?  

Or is this a movie reference to We're the Millers? 
WE ARE THE MILLERS
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I think that it is wrong for people to personally attack someone that does a lot for the sport. The chief judge ensured he was not Chief Judge for the trick event to avoid this controversy. Therefore, the assistant chief judge was appointed to the role. Also, if you really are the "The Thunder from Down Under" you would not be trying to take down the Australian team. Grow up and learn your facts before you critisice others. 
Thunder Down Under
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No personal attacks....Just an IWSF rule clarification. ..? Also like to mention Aussie's at worlds lost in the teams event to three Ukraine skiers #moneycantbuymegold.....?
WE ARE THE MILLERS
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No personal attacks... Please enlighten me what you mean't by "Were the Millers" then?

I hope you feel so big about yourself being cruel to kids that train so hard every single day and have made so many sacrifices to get to the highest pinnacle of our sport. I wonder just how many times you have represented Australia, at any level let alone at a World Championships. Or how many times you've held an Australian Record, won a National or State Title? 

Also, your reference "#moneycantbuymegold" is disgusting. These parents work so hard every single day to give their children a great life of which they want to have. Money isn't the issue here and in fact its none of your business what others do with they hard earned money. 

I hope you have a great day today hiding behind your name and belittling other people, if you really are so tough why don't you just reveal who you are? 
THUNDER DOWN UNDER
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OK, I will respond analytically to clear this up...

No personal attacks... Please enlighten me what you meant by "We're the Millers" then?

NSW Junior skier Miss Miller was the skier involved in the question I had raised, No personal attacks, "We're the Millers" was used as a sort of play on words, or for the less intelligent on these forums a light joke.

I hope you feel so big about yourself being cruel to kids that train so hard every single day and have made so many sacrifices to get to the highest pinnacle of our sport. I wonder just how many times you have represented Australia, at any level let alone at a World Championships. Or how many times you've held an Australian Record, won a National or State Title?

This seems to be getting taken out of context, This is not a shot at a young skier...! I still cannot fathom how a chief judge can ride in the boat for a competitor this is a clear conflict of interest and such flexible rules allow this to happen. The judge should not be allowed to relinquish duties and then take them back up at will to sit in the boat for a competitor.....Such exploitation of the system is why this sport will never grow.

Also, your reference "#moneycantbuymegold" is disgusting. These parents work so hard every single day to give their children a great life of which they want to have. Money isn't the issue here and in fact its none of your business what others do with they hard earned money.

This was a generalisation of the current Australian water ski scene, Families are spending hard earned on training and equipment with minimal improvement.....

I hope you have a great day today hiding behind your name and belittling other people, if you really are so tough why don't you just reveal who you are?

I have no interest in revealing my identity as you clearly don't either or else you would have already.

THUNDER DOWN UNDER
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Originally Posted by THUNDER DOWN UNDER

OK, I will respond analytically to clear this up...

No personal attacks... Please enlighten me what you meant by "We're the Millers" then?

NSW Junior skier Miss Miller was the skier involved in the question I had raised, No personal attacks, "We're the Millers" was used as a sort of play on words, or for the less intelligent on these forums a light joke.

I hope you feel so big about yourself being cruel to kids that train so hard every single day and have made so many sacrifices to get to the highest pinnacle of our sport. I wonder just how many times you have represented Australia, at any level let alone at a World Championships. Or how many times you've held an Australian Record, won a National or State Title?

This seems to be getting taken out of context, This is not a shot at a young skier...! I still cannot fathom how a chief judge can ride in the boat for a competitor this is a clear conflict of interest and such flexible rules allow this to happen. The judge should not be allowed to relinquish duties and then take them back up at will to sit in the boat for a competitor.....Such exploitation of the system is why this sport will never grow.

Also, your reference "#moneycantbuymegold" is disgusting. These parents work so hard every single day to give their children a great life of which they want to have. Money isn't the issue here and in fact its none of your business what others do with they hard earned money.

This was a generalisation of the current Australian water ski scene, Families are spending hard earned on training and equipment with minimal improvement.....

I hope you have a great day today hiding behind your name and belittling other people, if you really are so tough why don't you just reveal who you are?

I have no interest in revealing my identity as you clearly don't either or else you would have already.

Typset
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...and you found the bold button, great.
Lots of people in lots of sports nowadays spend lots of money on their kids with no progress. Makes mommy and daddy the life of the party
Carpenter
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What's the expression about hitting nails on heads.....
hammer
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If you're born a hammer, pretty soon everything starts to look like a nail?
Confucius
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If you're a nail gun, then you don't need the hammer.
love actually
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#moneycantbuymegold is really wrong , and you know why ? because some people obviously know in which direction to send their drug laundring money #Moneybuysgoldinsouthamerica ...
Craig Swadling
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I would like to weigh in on this conversation and express my concern to the administration of this public forum. It's my view that admin are very irresponsible to allow contentious and personal comments to be made on this site pointed at any individuals without any ownership or responsibility being taken by the person making the insinuations or assertions. To personally name competitors and coaches whilst hiding behind an alias is a grub act. "Thunder from Down Under" hasn't even done their homework on the tournament in question. My name is Craig Swadling and I'm happy to have a continued conversation with " thunder from downunder " in a more appropriate forum or though I highly doubt that will suit whoever you are.
Get your act together Admin, this garbage doesn't help our sport.
Unregistered
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oh stfu!  Go on Ball of Spray for that crap! Loser! We can say any damn thing we want on here! 
Coach or Chief Judge
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Coach or Chief Judge im confused? Maybe you need to opens your eyes sir.....and btw:

For obvious reasons, the forum has been switched back to allow for ANONYMOUS postings. Gossip it up SkiFlyers!!!!

?????
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WOW
skier
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Once again, SkiFlyers keeping it classy!
This sport
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has 2 or 3 do-er's. And a cabal of whiners.

Hence, the shape it is in.
Disappointed
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This is what is killing the sport, not coaches, judges of parents spending money. It is the behaviour driving people away. Maybe that's how you hope to win.
Ski Fly BOSS
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I know some feelings are hurt here but as long as we keep it under control, this is a place to vent.  Ball-less of Spray has their site and we have ours.

If the event went by the rules,,,,,,then so be it !!!    Move on 
Chief Judge
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Back to the original question.
To the best of my knowledge there is no rule against a Chief Judge relinquishing their duties for an event, for instance it is quite often the case at many world ranking tournaments that the Chief Judge is also skiing and obviously stands down as chief for the event that he/she is competing in. In the case of releasing for a competitor, I'm not sure it is at all necessary for the Chief Judge to stand down to do this, however, if they opted to do so in this situation (sounds like they did) then I take my hat off to them for trying to avoid conflict of interest so vigorously. 
I've released for and even coached competitors before while being the Chief Judge at small tournaments, in a volunteer sport you sometimes end up wearing many hats. If that makes me a cheat then I apologize, but this thread seems more like a petty personal attack in my humble opinion.
Are there problems in our sport? Sure. Does this really sound like one of them? Not to me at least.
Herb
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Reveal yourself SCUMBAG
At 11.52 tomorrow I will reveal my name.
You and I craig peas in a pod
Lpskier
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I asked this question at an AWSA judge's and scorers clinic this past weekend, attended by several very senior and experienced judges, scorers and athletes. The answer is "yes," a CJ may pin for an athlete but should appoint someone else (the ACJ if there is one) to take over on shore as CJ while the actual CJ is pinning. Obviously if there is a protest concerning that skier's score, the pinning CJ should not participate in the resolution of the issue.

Long story short, in the USA it is perfectly okay, so I would guess it would be so in Australia.
Herb
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I AM GROOT
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