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Is this the last season of the Big Dawg?
Personally I think it started off great: localish tourney with good driving,money, and afinals. Then it became more Big than it should've--flying in drivers,etc. lost its charm
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Agree! Greg Davis had a great idea, made it popular, made it a lot of fun, and it was not a "Pro" system. Once CC decided they "owned" it and pushed Andy/Jeff to join, it began to push the regular joe that had a chance to make those 16 head to heads out. When that highend/non old pro skier loses interest, and doesn't believe he can train like crazy and have any chance, you begin the downfall.
There is still a place for it, but CC has no idea what the hell to do with it. They never promoted it. They took it over, and it's like they do it because they have to, and not because they want to. Now with so much less enthusiam/participation, they have reason to drop it. If it's true, I think you'll see a hiatus, and then have some local tourneys fill the gaps in coming years with different sponsors. It certainly doesn't cost a lot of money to host one. $200 a pop, pretty much covers it. Jody Johnson put one on a couple years before the Big Dawg started.
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Greg stole it from Dave Miller (Ohio)
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Well it looks like the new boat did not perform well at the first big dawg featuring the new boat. What gives??
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You don't know how to start s new subject???
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I was at the Big Dawg, the new Nautique is a joke. Doesn’t even drive as good as a 196, much less a 200 and the wake is every bit as bad as the new Malibu
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So, it appears the pylon is higher causing some issues. How do you mitigate? Either countersteer sooner/harder or ? Constructive only please...
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High pylons suck, they pullll the skier up, picture a tower. Driving it may tip the boat a bit so might have to point away more. It's weird cause it puts the hull on the non-turning side too much
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Now with the Big-head dawgs complaining = Nail in coffin?
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Not really concerned about that...BD will survive one way or another. Skiers ain't quittin because of a boat issue...just trying to have a constructive dialogue for all. Kind of hard to speak openly on other forums without offending. Sometimes it's hard to tell your friend they're fat/look silly or whatever... Anonymity helps.
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The big dawg will survive. Remember it was going on before Correct Craft claimed it. It will certainly continue. If skiers providing dialogue about a new boat that simply isn’t good is the end of it then so be it. Bottom line is the boat is not providing a good pull like is expected of Correct Craft. They delayed the release a couple of years. Apparently it was still released to early. The 200 was a good boat. This is not at this moment.
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This new CC fiasco is really amazing. Not an emotional judgment by a bunch of fanboys ("its ugly"- which it really is but that's beside the point), but documented 1 or more pass more difficult for the old guys (the demographic that writes the checks btw) to ski. And confirmed by the head old guys.
I have many questions. How do you get this far into a product launch without testing the boat on 34 mph skiers? Is the assumption that it skis fine for 36 mph valid? Does it only ski fine for Nate? If they did test it on 34 mph skiers, what happened? Did they test it so much the testers got familiar with it and liked it fine in the end? Is it a ZO issue? Did something change between final prototype and production that made this thing suck at 34 where it didn't before? Its like watching some horribly expensive Hollywood flop movie. You have to ask yourself "how did they not know this thing sucked"? Here is my theory: The 36 mph guys, and particularly Nate, are done pulling by or before the middle of the wake. Ski is almost flat. The 34 mph skiers, contrary to popular instructional drivel, are still hard on edge behind the boat. They need some solid water between the wakes to work against. If you cover the solid water with 4 or 5 inches of foamy bubbles you take away contact with the solid water, and thus any chance to get work out of the edge of the ski between the wakes. I think that stupid rake will turn out to be the culprit. I'm a CC man, but they really screwed the pooch on this one. Its ugly, its too expensive, its too big, and now we find out it skis crappy. 4 strikes. And its ugly. Oh, and did I mention its ugly?
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The skiers will find out it's not about them when nautique walks away
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Nate might be done pulling by the middle of the wake, but that isn’t most 36 mph skiers... I was skiing with a well known pro skier last year who told me “that whole divide the course in 2 parts and get off the edge when you are right behind the boat is crap. Your workload is whitewash to whitewash.
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Originally the Big Dawg gave the skiers an opportunity to choose which boat they wanted to use in the tournament. It was supported by the big 3. It soon became obvious the vast majority of the pulls were behind the Nautique (boat of choice by the skiers). End result was the other 2 manufacturers pulled out. Rather than have the tournament wither away Nautique became the title sponsor. They may be regretting their decision as it has become a tournament of whiners. O'brien may not be the only sponsor cutting ties w/the Big Dawg.
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Obrien still makes waterskis?
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Pulling out means what? Exactly what does this event cost nautique. Pretty sure the hosting sites pay the cash prize of $3000. When Correct Craft initially took over the big dawg they paid the $5000 purse for each event. (The site now pays the purse). They have O’Brien as a title sponsor. Initially that was a $12000 sponsorship. They have several additional sponsors for the event. Last I checked in the bib it was 10 additional sponsors. The pay the prize money at the finals 10000. 40 entries at (200$) $8000. Most of the money is spent sending Mark Shaw to the events to put up banners. The event will continue with or without CC
If they can’t handle someone telling them the truth about the new boat then so be it. It’s very fixable if they are willing to listen
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@unregistered, good point. O'brien truly doesn't have a high end ski being used in tournaments much less the Big Dawg. Why they sponsored the event in the first place only they know for sure.
@WM, how many of those 10 sponsors are there at the urging of Nautique? Perhaps they'll be there if Nautique goes away, perhaps not. O'brien is gone, count on it. Personally, I don't care if Nautique stays or bolts for the door. If it truly doesn't cost them anything (or very little), as you stated, that would explain why they continue to organize/sponsor the tournament. I don't think Nautique will pull sponsorship based on talk of the boat. However, it isn't wise to kick a gift horse in the mouth. Are any of the other manufacturers beating down the door of Big Dawg competitors to form a tour? Doubt it. We're lucky if they sponsor 1 pro event a year. How many events did the MC and BU sponsor last year? 41 wasn't seen as much as what was expected, who cares. Was the boat the same for everyone? Was the tournament run fair? Did the best skiers have an opportunity to win? Does anyone doubt the results were fair? It is sad our sport has gotten to the point where scores mean more to the competitor than a tour stop win/placement.
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As long as all competitors ski behind the same boat on he same lake ,it is a level field !!
Bunched up oanties
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relax...it's just talk...people will either get used to it if that's the problem, or it will be fixed/tweaked if it needs to be. Why would they get rid of Big Dawg? It doesn't cost them the profit from one boat to sponsor it for a year. All sponsorships/advertising works. I happen to think the boat looks great! The right people voicing their opinion is exactly what CC needs. They've been around the block a time or two, and know what to do. Time and a bunch more tourneys this summer, and they'll have their data and feedback.
Hell, pay Miller to test/tweak....he skis more sets than anyone else on God's Green Earth anyway! Just pay for his gas!
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Flying in drivers, Shaw, webcast, and then getting bashed? It's not about the money.
Should be about the head to head, but I'm amazed those guys ski so much and still have never run 41
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I bet it's air, not the electricals
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really? amazed they haven't run 41? yeah, gee, we're up to 4 people lifetime that have run it...
I'm sure some current pros will too when they start competing old man style.
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Yes, really. These guys have been skiing 12 months a yr for 15 f-in years.miller actually for 25 yrs.
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Someone needs to get up there right away and check that course.
If Chad, the best driver and skier on earth, doesn't believe it, then it didn't happen
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Well, whatever it was, or wasn't ...it ain't Greg's Fault! Nice skiing big man! He can only handle his end of the rope. He ought to be able to get some beers out of it!