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Jay In Miami
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Hurt myself a couple of times in my Radar Vapor boots, most recently the inner liner did not come all the way out despite me having the top laces quite loose. I don't think I can go back to using Radar, seems like a few people have been caught out in bungee style releases. Reflex on order. 
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Duh
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absolute stupid binding idea....yeah, just don't tie the laces too tight?! WTH does that mean? Stupidity. I'm unsure why that piece of crap is still on the market. If it works perfectly , it supposed to come out; but if you've tied your shoe laces too tight, it just kinda comes out, leaving your ankle to take all the abuse. Oh, YOU must have tied it too tight....get rid of them. 
No bindings are completely safe, but this type is just asking for getting your ankle ripped up.
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yeah
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Yeah, I use the Radar bindings which are great for just free skiing where I turn and burn at my leisure. I would NEVER use these bindings in a course. You'd have to be mad!

I always laughed in the face of anyone telling me to just keep the laces loose? 
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Brent

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Reply with quote  #4 
 The best thing to happen for Reflex ,their sales went through the roof once the injuries started piling up on Radar Vapor's .
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Reply with quote  #5 
Because no one has ever torn their achilles in a reflex?

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Reply with quote  #6 
Recently seen a femur fracture due to Reflex releasing..
really no great solution in waterski bindings. you clamp your feet to a fiberglass sled and drive the piss out of it at a high rate of speed what could happen??
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Brent

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I am on a FM binding but Reflex seems to be the 1st binding people look to after injury with Vapor bindings & I think they are better than Vapors ,not perfect but better . There are a few hard boot systems out there ,do your research, in no particular order.

Reflex
Fluid Motion (I am on the Revo 500)
MOB
Edge/HO

Am I missing any ?
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Reply with quote  #8 
T Factors.
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Brent

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Reply with quote  #9 
T factors are not hard boots !
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Unregistered
Reply with quote  #10 
Been on vapors for four years. Zero issues.
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Old School
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Any pro's use wiley bindings for slalom anymore ?
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JB
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Jeff Rogers ?
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Brent

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Any current Pro's ?
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Lpskier

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Anyone that can run 41 is a pro in my book. And it’s “Rodgers.” Others pros using Wiley’s? Freddy Kruger, Scot Ellis... The list goes on. What? Read the question. No one said pro slalom skiers...
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nope
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I prefer my Vapors, would never want anything "harder".
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they work
Reply with quote  #16 
Ive been on these boots since 2008, when they first came out, not one issue. On the other hand, I can count 5 people who have hurt themselves or broken bones with Reflex in the last few years. No boot is perfect......

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Reply with quote  #17 
eh i had the stradas and i could leave them as loose as possible and still only ever partially released, but i'm sure they have worked fine for other people.

every boot/binding option works great, until it doesn't.

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gator1
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If you want a safe RTP setup, have Mike mount you a connely-fogman boot with the supplemental floating tongue on his MOAB for the front boot, and any RTP on the back.  The tongue will take care of you in a crushing OTF, and you'll get twist out in a rotational rear-foot-free fall. 

The rotational rfff is what gets people in the reflex, (knees and spiral tib-fib fractures), with the occasional true crusher still wrecking ankles also. 

Reflex works well in peeling crushers, which make up the majority of crashes, which is why people think they're safe. And it really helps if you are a pro or 20 yr old with thighs like trees.  You rarely get crushed.

If you want a safe dual boot setup, you are out of luck until my next version goes into production.
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Jayce
Reply with quote  #19 
Lace tension is subjective at best. Radar needs a better solution, the MOB system looks interesting but its expensive. 
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Ankles
Reply with quote  #20 
So are ankle and knee operations.
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Reply with quote  #21 
I remember seeing Chris Parrish on a vapor boot that had been modified with a Reflex release. If a guy that can set a world record at any moment is having to modify a binding so it will release, that says something. 
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