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old jumper
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has anyone read the new jump surface rules.  any thoughts?
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rulesschmules
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The days of records are over. And don't give me no lip!
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EB
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Could be a while before the Open records go up.  Even before the cheater ramp design,
there have been long periods.  Historically, the longest gaps have been:

US Open Women:  2001--2013:  Brandi Hunt 176' to Alex Lauretano 184'.
US Open Men:  2008--2014:  Freddy 247' to 250'.

World Open Women:  1988--1996:  Deena 47.5m to Emma Sheers 48.2m  (5' ramp)
                         and 2002--2010:  Elena Milakova 56.6m to June Fladborg 57.1
World Open Men:  2008--2014:  Freddy 75.2m to 76.2m  (same as US)
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old jumper
Reply with quote  #4 
So what you are saying ED is that the 250ft jump was done on a cheating ramp but the record stands????? and now we have new rules that hinder someone from possible breaking that record by making it harder to jump that far     sound fishy
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EB
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Who knows about the 250 ramp?  But the two previous records by Freddy of 74.2 (243')
and 75.2 (247') were set on a plain ol' regular ramp at McCormicks.  So, a tricked-up
ramp isn't needed for big distances.

And, I'm saying that there have been some long gaps in time, such as 8 years, for the
World Record to increase.  Maybe when some were thinking that the record distance
was max'd out.  So, it might be into the 2020's for another increase.
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Been 200
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Cheater ramp, not quite EB, seems if it wasn't surveyed by you it can't be right in your eyes, the site where Freddy broke the record has produced many records, along with McCormicks where the Dave Bebe fiasco went down. Let call facts facts, no speculation to who was cheating and who wasn't
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Lpskier
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I didn't get the sense that Ed was making any comment about the ramp at Hancock. I think he was saying that Freddy jumped almost as far on a ramp Ed is personally familiar with that, apparently, is spot on deflection-wise.

Wayne Grimditch's 169 stood for a long time, too.

Perhaps the reason for the records holding soo long is that every once in a while, a certain athlete comes along that is capable of breaking a record. Once that athlete peaks and sets a record, perhaps technique alone is not enough to break it again. In that case, we have to wait for the sport to evolve technology-wise in order to open the door agai. Speed control, ZO, ZO upgrades ,power plants, carbon skis, longer wider skis, jump suits, faster jump surface, etc. and then new techniques to take better advantage of the technology. Sounds to me like evolution, not cheating.

And frankly, from what I know about Freddie, his integrity is beyond reproach. Ed's too, for that matter.
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EB
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Nice comment by "Been 200".  Containing a good bit of personal slander.

No wonder why some people aren't interested in becoming officials.
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Been 200
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@EB not sure where you're going with that, this was not a personal attack, although you seem to enjoy behaving as a victim. This board is for comments and opinions, although some do not agree with your line of thinking it does not alter the fact that those opinions are valid also. I would be willing to say that a driver can alter a jump distance as well as a ramp. 
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dontjump
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I can see why Ed went where he did. I'm with Lp
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boat driver
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So been 200  here is a thought for you  Do you think altering the engines ECM on the boat that was used to go 250ft was alittle over the line?
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EB
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The comment:   "if it wasn't surveyed by you it can't be right in your eyes..."  sure
looks like slander to me.

The rest of the story:  subsequent measurements by an independent party found that
the last few feet leading to the takeoff lip were wedged up.  And creating a steeper
takeoff angle for the jumpers.  A practice which is now banned by the Rules, whether
World or AWSA.
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LLUSA
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Boat are tested yearly by AWSA Towboat committee for engine, prop, and hull applications that the mfg plans to use in tournaments, any alterations to the as tested boat must be approved by the Towboat Committee or an exception granted for the use of a different ZO, prop, engine, etc. If the ECM was not what was tested and no exception was granted then there is a problem. LP covered basically all the other factors involved. As for Tech people, each has his on quirks, each has a different degree of thoroughness, some site owner have techs they like to use and some they won't use, I have my list. The quality of event you put on reflects directly on the tournament personnel the site owner puts  in place. 
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boat driver
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anyone notice how BEEN 200 went silent when the subject of the ECM came up
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LLUSA
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I have spent time with Indmar and ECM testing in fact we went through 20-25 in one day of pre-programmed ECM's it's amazing what difference the right ECM can make.
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skier
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That's kind of a shame. I wonder why it's so hard to make them consistent?... I guess that explains why some pulls in slalom are just different behind the same make/model boats. 
LLUSA, are they trying different types, looking for dif responses, or they should all be the same and we're getting dif results?
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LLUSA
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ECM's are consistent, its the boats that are not, no two hulls are the same, several years ago I had a promo boat that was drove and skied better than any boat I've ever owned 15 39 off in a row were run behind it. That boat had sat in the mold over the Christmas holidays, not sure what difference that made, but time of year, temperature, who's laying the hull up all go into making each boat different, strength of the engine, a 10% swing in hp is acceptable
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Hulls
Reply with quote  #18 
Some day they'll be digitally printed. Consistency will be one of the effects.
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Interesting
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@Lyman 

That's weird, Chad Scott had a promo that sat in the mold for a week and he said it was the best skiing/driving boat he ever had.

Maybe there is some benefit to leaving the boat in the mold longer?
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Lpskier
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So the next time I order a boat, I'll make sure to specify "well done."
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LLUSA
Reply with quote  #21 
Never heard that about Chad, but there was a major difference in that boat, drivers and skier were convinced the boat had been altered in steering and wake. KLP was all over how small and soft the wake was.
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Old jumper2
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Hey slalom geeks, get the hell off the jump thread. It's all in your messed up head.
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Slaysh
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Hero ^^^^^
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old jumper
Reply with quote  #24 
So reading into this,  if the ECM was altered shouldnt that throw  up a red flag on the record.    I see no difference with Bebe and how he played with the setting on perfect pass and i believe that record was thrown out because of boat speed.  Was the ECM changed to make the boat haul ass?  Maybe a review of boat speed from point to point be looked at. AS it was for when Bebe was driving at McCormicks.  
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EB
Reply with quote  #25 
The comment:   "if it wasn't surveyed by you it can't be right in your eyes..."  sure
looks like slander to me.

The rest of the story:  subsequent measurements by an independent party found that
the last few feet leading to the takeoff lip were wedged up.  And creating a steeper
takeoff angle for the jumpers.  A practice which is now banned by the Rules, whether
World or AWSA.


April 13:  A bit of a correction in terms maybe needed.  Make it the ramp was 'modified'.
Although wedging doesn't necessarily mean using wedges.  Like wedging your groceries
into the back of your car.  Or, even getting a wedgie.  So, the modification could have
involved shims, wedges, or doohickies.
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35 Split
Reply with quote  #26 
Since we are analyzing previous posts, Lets take a look at this.  

"Who knows about the 250 ramp?  But the two previous records by Freddy of 74.2 (243')
and 75.2 (247') were set on a plain ol' regular ramp at McCormicks.  So, a tricked-up
ramp isn't needed for big distances."


-More importantly this 


" a plain ol' regular ramp at McCormicks" 


-For anyone who actually knows anything about GOING OVER a jump.  The old McCormicks jumps were the best!  Only because they were 30yrs old and a natural sag had taken effect.  I also know for a fact that those ramps were never measured to check the deviation from top to bottom.  Absolutely nothing wrong with what McCormicks did, this was something that wasn't even mention 15, 10, or even 5 years ago.  I wish it never changed. 
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Lpskier
Reply with quote  #27 
Doohickeys are definitely verboten under World rules.
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