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JCarder
    Oct 26, 2009 at 09:17 AM
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Hey old jumpers,

I submitted a rules change proposal this fall to allow the speed for Men4 jump to be increased to 33.6mph. A few other Men 4 jumpers and I are in agreement that we are well capable of handling more speed and just plain like going farther. My reasons are:

1. In other countries (all other countries I'm pretty sure) in the world the Veteran 2 division (45 to 55) goes 54k (33.6mph) 5 foot. Why should we go slower?

2. Big skis are pretty universal now (thanks RG) as is speed control. Jumping is safer now because of the jump style that big skis produce. One could argue that 33.6 is even safer in some ways than 31.7. Some of us older skiers are a little heavier now and it's easier to get in deep and out of position out of the turn without the extra speed to support your skis.

3. It's just more fun

I know some who have been at 31.7 for a few years will not want to change, and I understand this. There is a survey going around and I am curious what most of you think.

(I personally think Men3 should go 35.4mph, 5 foot. Veteran 1 (35 to 45) in the rest of the world goes 35 5 1/2, but thats your division now, youngsters)

What do you all think? For it? Against? Lets not have them pass it if the majority of us are not for it.

Tim McKune
    Oct 26, 2009 at 09:46 AM
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In favor!

Rob Temple
    Oct 26, 2009 at 10:00 AM
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I'll second that.


Team Seal
    Oct 26, 2009 at 12:24 PM
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Not being much of a jumper but still being very much involved with the sport and have a full understanding of the process.
In full agreement with the proposal, the sad part is that their are a lot of stick in the mud old school idealism non jumpers running the sport and you may have a fight on your hands with this. I would put together a list of men4 jumpers that want to change to a faster speed and submit it along with your proposal. Being able to utilize the faster speed also helps with the saftey factor as a jumper does not have to wait so late to go far.
Greg T
    Oct 26, 2009 at 01:15 PM
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I am all for it.  I've always thought that going from M2 to M3 was too much of a change , ramp height and speed all at once. It make's more sense to have a more "progressive reduction"

M2  5 1/2'  35.4mph
M3  5'     35.4mph
M4  5'    33.6mph
M5  5'    31.7mph

I know this was discussed  here a few years ago, not sure why nothing came of it then.
observer
    Oct 26, 2009 at 03:38 PM
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Jody told you why.

MIKE LAMARCHE
    Oct 26, 2009 at 04:56 PM
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I AGREE WITH THE POST BY GREG T. BEING NEWELY ADDED TO M3 DIV IT WOULD BE NICE TO KEEP SPEED AT 35. AND ONLY LOWER IT TO 33.6 AT M4 DIV. AS A MORE GRADUAL CHANGE.

Ham Wallace
    Oct 26, 2009 at 07:02 PM
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I am all for it.  What about us poor M5?
Dan Z
    Oct 26, 2009 at 10:00 PM
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I agree with all your reasons John... faster is better.  At the very least, we should be jumping at the same speed as all others our age internationally.  I think we need to respond to Scott Snape's survey before November 12th for our opinion to count officially, yes?

DZ
Carder
    Oct 27, 2009 at 12:08 AM
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Hey Danny,
Sorry, you have to stay at 31.7. Its your "I beat everybody all the time" handicap. ha ha.

No seriously, I jumped this afternoon at 33.6mph. Pretty fun.

As I submitted the proposal, I dont get the survey, so I dont know the deadline. If you have an opinion, even if you arent Men4, send Scott Snape an email at (rssnape at yahoo dot com) in support of the change. If you are Men 3 it might help pave the way for your division to change later.

Hey Scott, when and who will discuss this? 

whetski
    Oct 28, 2009 at 07:36 PM
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I'm all for it and will email Snape as well.

Kirby
Brutus Lopez
    Oct 29, 2009 at 09:41 PM
  Reply with quote#12

I am all for it!
SR
    Oct 30, 2009 at 07:49 PM
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Hey Carder, when would this rule take place if changed? 2010? Like to start training now if it gets approved at the new speed..

survey
    Oct 30, 2009 at 08:31 PM
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Where in the survey? How do you sign up?

why not???
    Oct 31, 2009 at 11:30 PM
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Hey this looks good to me.
M2  5 1/2'  35.4mph
M3  5'     35.4mph
M4  5'    33.6mph
M5  5'    31.7mph

Is this in alignment with IWSF if that what it still called?
Speed can help your scores.
Technique/timing still wins all though, remember Scot's 195' @33.6 on a 5'?

Carder
    Nov 01, 2009 at 03:10 AM
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IWWF men3 (senior 1) actually goes 35.4mph and 5 1/2. The rest is the same.

If Men3 wants 35mph, someone in M3 needs to contact Scott Snape on the rules committee and apply for a rules change. Form is available on the USAWS website. rssnape at yahoo dot com

If this passes it will be up to the committee when it takes affect....after nationals 2010? Spring 2010? Now?

If you want to jump at 33.6 now go ahead. It wont hurt to move the speed around. Ive been jumping this week and have been going 33.6. Its no real transition, its just easier to go farther. Looks like the response is pretty positive so far! 
T
    Nov 02, 2009 at 04:49 PM
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Agreed...Thanks for your efforts in this matter..
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