2010 Approved towboats - SKIFLY MESSAGE BOARD

Any truth to a rumor that Correct Craft had a 196 model??? I would not think so, but stranger things have happened. With the price of the 200, how many do they think they will sell?

Joe Darwin

Oct 30, 2009 at 08:53 AM

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What does it matter? There won't be enough 2010 promos around so most sites will be using any boat they can get their hands on. A tournament in the mid-west used a 2005 MC w/ PP to pull their last tournament this fall - approved by the region. It's going to be an interesting year in the tournament/promo arena.

chardo

Oct 30, 2009 at 09:58 AM

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Joe,
The only reason it matters to me is that I am curious to the direction of Correct Craft. I would think that after the 200 was introduced, that they would not promote the 196 anymore. With the cost of the 200, and reports that the boat maybe underpowered...... Like you, as a host of several tournaments each year, I like to know what options will be available. I have a 08 and 09 Nautique sitting in our boat house but... due to price, we are not looking at the 200. We have gotten a new Nautique for the last 8 years. Not this year. We are looking at other options for the first time sine 1994. (our last Master Craft) Right now, for me, it looks like a Malibu. I agree that it is more diffucult each year to get promos. But, we like to host tournaments with the best products out on the market. We feel that it is important to the skiers. In the past, we have been able to do that with the fact that we always keep our club boats current. That may be a thing of the past.

Pinche

Oct 30, 2009 at 10:16 AM

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Why not just use your '09 CC for another season and see how things pan out with the 200? The '09 is still an approved boat in 2010 with no special requests needed.

chardo

Oct 30, 2009 at 10:45 AM

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We run two lakes and prefer to have two current approved boats on site. Yes, I am sure that if we wanted, we could get a waiver next year for the 08 (in addtion to the 09 being current) The 08 is for sale and we are looking for a replacement.

I have not gotten a answer to my orginal question.

Did Correct Craft have a 196 model boat at the boat test????
Yes or No.

Mastercraft

Oct 30, 2009 at 11:03 AM

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Why don't you call Correct Craft yourself and quite relying on hearsay on this website.
Your 08 is approved for tournaments also....read the towboat manual!

chardo

Oct 30, 2009 at 11:33 AM

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Mastercraft
Thanks fot the idea for the phone call.

I do know the rules. The 08 is for sale.

Thanks again for the tip.

Pinche

Oct 30, 2009 at 11:44 AM

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Maybe the '08 shouldn't be for sale, yet.

chardo

Oct 30, 2009 at 12:49 PM

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Maybe not. Many factors go into the selling of our boats. After 23 years of selling used tournament boats, we have found that we have a bigger market for a 2 year old boat with 500 hours, than we have with a 3 year old boat with 750 hours or a 4 year old boat with 1000 hours. Our return on investment is max after 2 years. After that, we start to take a much bigger hit. Much like a used car. What is the comfort level for mileage to buy a used car (regardless of year) 60,000... 75,000..... 100,000
Yes, we put alot of hours on our boats. About 250 per year, per boat.

Pinche

Oct 30, 2009 at 01:09 PM

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It stinks that 1000 hrs is considered too high for many used boat buyers. To me 1000 hrs isn't much at all if the boat's been well-maintained.

Let us know if you find out the answer to your question. Thanks!

Oct 30, 2009 at 02:14 PM

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Currently, CC has no plans to offer the SN196. A lot of eggs have been placed in the SN200 basket and it wouldn't be real smart for them to offer competition for it within their own line.

Additionally, based on last years pricing for a SN196 a 2010 SN196 wouldn't be that much less expensive than the SN200. Boats went up approx 9% and the SN200 is about 20% more than the '09 SN196 so a 2010 SN196 would be approx 10% less than a SN200. $3k-$5K isn't a big difference when you're talking about $50K+.

Chardo, where is your club?

Drove it Skied it

Oct 31, 2009 at 10:01 AM

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If you go with the SN200 make sure you get it with the 6.0. 5.7 in the 200 is underpowered.

Drove it Skied it 2

Oct 31, 2009 at 11:13 AM

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"$3k-$5K isn't a big difference when you're talking about $50K+"

PLUS the cost of the 6.0 which adds 5K.

A SN 200 TEAM with the 6.0 with the linksys system is 60K plus tax, actual quote from a dealer (includes trailer).

Oct 31, 2009 at 01:59 PM

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Drove it, Skied It 2,

Compare apples to apples please. Add this years 9% increase to a 2009 SN Team w/6.0 and you're easily into the mid 50s. I stand by my earlier statement.

drove it Skied it 2

Oct 31, 2009 at 02:43 PM

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2009 196 6.0 Team, all options. 51K. Good customer. Actual transaction.

2010 200 6.0 Team, all options. 61K. Actual quote.

Apples to apples would be a 196 w/excalibur. Works just fine.

200 w/excalibur is slow, 4000 rpm @ 36mph is working too hard.

Oct 31, 2009 at 03:57 PM

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Please add the 9% price increase for 2010 product and your $51K 2009 purchase = mid $50k 2010 price just like I wrote. Pay attention grasshopper. Additionally, actual quote does not equal actual transaction, it can be had for less.

Both the EX and ZR equipped SN200 tach out @ 4K rpm 36 mph +/- 100 rpm. Personally, when I drove the boats it felt like the EX was better out of the hole just like in the SN196. Without question the EX performs better bottom end than the ZR in a 196. I've owned both within the last 2 years and I prefer the EX hands down.

Drove it Skied it

Oct 31, 2009 at 07:27 PM

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So its a 9% increase but it can be had for less?

Designed to run 4000 rpm @36 mph? Why? Awful high isn't it? Harder on gas? Harder on the engine? Enlighten me.

You are entitled to your opinion as am I. I skied and drove the new 200 with an excalibur and I was less than impressed, especially when you consider that it costs 3-5K more.

FYI, 3-5K is real money for most people.

Oct 31, 2009 at 08:10 PM

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Yes, CC increased their prices 9% once you factor in the flat shipping charge per boat which is being levied on the dealer. Stupidest thing I've ever heard but whether you pick your boat up at the factory door or at the dealer door there is a flat delivery fee. Additionally, it doesn't matter if you live in Orlando or Spokane, WA the delivery charge is the same. So, in actuality the % increase on a SN from '09 to '10 is a little more than 9% and the increase on a Super Air 230 is a little less than 9%.

Also yes, a SN200 Team w/ZR and trailer can be had for less than $61K. Shop around, CC isn't doing anything about dealers selling out of territory so call around.

Sounds like you're praising the ZR performance over the EX but haven't actually driven a ZR SN200. If you're a jumper the ZR will perform better, if not stick with the EX.

Why 4000 rpm for 36 mph? No idea, ask CC. One thing I do know is it is less than 10% higher than the SN196 @ 36 mph. Not a big deal on an engine limited by prop @ approx 5100 rpm. Do you really think there is much more engine wear or fuel efficiency loss in the additional 250-300 rpm?

Sure $3K-$5K is real money but my point was why would CC have 2 competing center engine ski boats priced in the $50K range with only a $3K-5K difference in price? They wouldn't, didn't, don't, plain and simple. This was the whole point of my original comment, CC is not making a 2010 SN196. This answered the original poster's question.

Yes, you've got your opinion and I've got mine. Mine is my wife got laid off yesterday and I'm sticking with a ZR powered '07 SN196 rather than getting a new SN200 which would be a much better boat for my family. Additionally, I hate the sluggishness of the ZR engine on the bottom end which you have touted as a wonderful power plant for the SN200 but apparently haven't driven it. It sucks, the economy sucks, my wife losing her job sucks and you telling me $3K-5K is real money, as if I didn't know, sucks.

4k RPM

Nov 05, 2009 at 07:40 PM

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That is exactly where all the boats should be running.... Sea level and especially at altitude. That is going to be a good jump boat on the increased RPM alone......... Top of power and toque curve.

Really?

Nov 06, 2009 at 01:32 PM

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"That is exactly where all the boats should be running"

Obviously, you haven't slalomed behind this (or any other boat for that matter) at 4000rpms - it rips your arms off coming out of the buoy and you can never get free of the boat. 4k IS NOT the top of the power curve - it is beyond it. According to PCM, the normal operating range for 34mph is 3200-3550. If the baseline for 34 is 4000, then the range w/ a 200lb skier will be 3900 to 4300. At that rate, you are running close to redline.

PCM EX 343 HP

Nov 07, 2009 at 06:59 PM

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My PCM EX 343HP runs at just about 100 RPM's for every MPH. 34.2 MPH runs about 3,500 RPM's. This motor is all any skier needs.

chardo

Nov 08, 2009 at 08:18 AM

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PCM EX
Is that in the new 2010 SN 200???

PCM EX 343 HP

Nov 08, 2009 at 10:06 AM

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DaveRobbins

Nov 08, 2009 at 11:59 AM

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I haven't worked since March 10th and I have a degree in Electrical Engineering 30 years experience Quality/Reliability/manufacturing.

If anybody knows of any job openings in a location to ski 365 days a year ( anything above 50 degrees is great

, any help would be appreciated.

It snowed a little a few days ago, looks like only a few weeks left to water ski, 2009 r.i.p.

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